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  1975 and 1981?

  by Steel in

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  is it true that in 1975 the watchtower falsely predicted the end of the world and a great number of the membership quit and just a few years later they turned disassociation into disfellowshipping?

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  Sorry to be so short but I was on my tablet, which I'm not real comfortable with.

  My essay, "Watchtower’s 49 Date Failures Mostly Ditched Without Fanfare", lists 1975 as a date failure and supports that with some 6 WT quotations. Finally, the 1980 quotation (re 1975) is where they concede that they went too far in their implications.

  I probably exaggerated it with my expression of "thousands" -- it was more like hundreds -- which is incriminating enough.

  I was baptized in 1956 and I lived through it all, leaving in 1977 somewhat because of their implications -- not only in the publications, but from the platform and at the hall.

  Those of us in the fold as apostates get enough bad press without fueling the fire with incorrect charges. There are plenty of stupid WT statements without the need to resort to false ones.

  Len Miller
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  1975 and 1981?

  by Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it true that in 1975 the watchtower falsely predicted the end of the world and a great number of the membership quit and just a few years later they turned disassociation into disfellowshipping?

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  Back to the original post no they never said it but they implied it thousands and thousands of times and there is a difference however slight

  Fact is they admitted the implication some five or six years after
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  2019 Shepherd The Flock Of God and More!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2019 information-for-expectant-mothers-s-401-e. 2019-addendum-to-shepherd-book-sfla-e_bi2019-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-october-sfl_e2020-kingdom-ministry-school-program-elders-pgme-20-e. instructions to access my profile.

  https://we.tl/t-rex13nnhax atlantis!

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  FatFreek 2005

  Blondie: " . . . taking a blood transfusion would no longer be a df'ing offense but an act of disassociating themselves from the WTS."

  While attending a two-week elder's school some 43 years ago, the instructor told us that joining the military was not a DF offense, but "and act of disassociating themselves".

  I asked him what the difference was. He winked and smiled and said that there would be no difference as to the practice of required shunning. It was simply a legal statement to avoid U.S. from shutting down Watchtower on an act of sedition (Speech or conduct that incites people to rebel against a lawful authority). That to the rank and file JW, DF and DA will be considered identical.

  I asked him, wouldn't this be like putting out tails between our legs and compromising our integrity?

  He told us that announcing a DF, the onus of responsibility lays the act on Watchtower. With DA, the onus is placed on the offender.

  Therefore, in those years, Joining the military or accepting blood, the term disassociation would be used.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Came to My Neighborhood

  by Juan Viejo2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for nearly two years i have not seen any jehovah's witnesses going door to door in my neighborhood.

  that was not the case when my wife and i first moved here (north central oregon).

  in fact, our neighborhood was visited at least once every 4 to 5 months - even in the coldest winter months.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Haiwan it's good to have you back again

  What you said about that woman nudging the man even tugging at his coat sleeve brings up a question. Where did she get that knowledge if they are no longer supposed to keep records? how did she know that your house is off limits?
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  Abuse reporting law passes Victoria, Australia Parliament

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://7news.com.au/politics/abuse-reporting-law-passes-vic-parliament-c-445627?utm_campaign=share-icons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&tid=1568152669571&fbclid=iwar2mvjbkt-nlu3tx-rmifxynagtcec1ad8lm4zcn2-f3zloqpd8xb1jamsi.

  victorian parliament has passed laws making it mandatory for priests to report child abuse, including when it is revealed to them during confession.. a bill introduced by the state labor government passed the upper house on tuesday after last week getting a green light from the legislative assembly, with opposition support.. "today we've made victoria a safer place for children.

  the special treatment for churches has ended and child abuse must be reported," child protection minister luke donnellan said in a statement....

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  Wonderfful, and I hope precedent setting.
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  2019 Watchtower Accounting Training Videos & Files-English/German!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2019 accounting training videos and files.. english and german--zipped folder.https://we.tl/t-qgjbjiqyiv 2019 files and forms-english and german--zipped folder.https://we.tl/t-qh1yjjaktk atlantis!

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  FatFreek 2005

  And, many thanks to you, Atlantis. We are forever indebted to you.

  
  
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  Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  by Alex Williams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this statement was answered in a form of a question to a question posed by one of his followers;.

  jesus realized that composite slave had to qualify for such an appointment when he came into power of his kingdom promised by jehovah god.

  [and they came to life and ruled as kings with the christ+ for 1,000 years].

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  FatFreek 2005

  Alex,

  I realize I'm probably wasting my time and effort with you but perhaps a few lurkers will benefit.

  Russell had a problem, which the modern day GB inherited, and instead of abandoning the problem they simply nurtured it and that problem grew and grew and grew.

  The first one was 1914. He made a lot of predictions about that date. Whether you wish to try to hash over whether he was speculating or predicting them, I'll simply quote from him instead of allowing you to bend what he actually said. This first article is about what he predicted would happen about that date. And, if you pay attention to the 24 predictions he made about 1914, not a single one of them was about the greatest event that occurred in 1914 -- World War I, then to be known as The Great War. Introductory image follows with link here.

  
  

  Yes, the succeeding GBs following with more failed dates. Intro image below, link Here.

  

  Finally, let me introduce what I believe to be the greatest contradiction in the history of published writings -- period. It so happens that the blue ribbon honor for that belongs to -- wanna take a guess? No? Well, let me put you out of your misery. It's the Watchtower, JW.ORG, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. Intro image below, link here.

  
  

  Len Miller
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  List of Kingdom Halls in Australia SOLD and FOR SALE

  by gerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought it would be a good idea to keep a record of australian kingdom halls being sold off.

  this is by no means the end of the sell off.. australian kingdom halls https://docdro.id/cpnoctf.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Good work.
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  Three Billboards of anti jw message

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a mention of this.

  in the us someone funded three billboards telling ttat it seems.. does anyone have a picture of these billboards please?.

  thanks.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Sorry about the double post. The long delay moved me to cancel the first one and try another. The first one obviously stuck.

  Simon's forum may be having problem with captured image size. I have a 4k monitor and I probably need to limit the size of the capture.
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  Three Billboards of anti jw message

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a mention of this.

  in the us someone funded three billboards telling ttat it seems.. does anyone have a picture of these billboards please?.

  thanks.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Blondie,

  I don't remember. That was yesterday and I am rapidly closing in on 79.

  Here's a screen capture using Zalkin. Probably sourced at reddit.